gethelpliv

bein able to reblog posts of deleted tumblr accounts is absolutely the best feature here

its feels like dragging a corpse around through a bacchanal along with its legacy

semiramis-audron

Tumblr 896 CE, colorised

toskarin

me: if I become the evil overlord I will never harm my minions

[5 years later]

highly throwable imp: hoohoohee

me: hmm

catgirl-kaiju

undersea animals when a whale dies

fandomsandfeminism

I honestly think that the lack of non-sexual nudity in public spaces has done horrific damage to American society.

We deeply struggle to understand the natural diversity of bodies because we only see naked bodies in a sexual context. We are taught that seeing nudity is somehow inherently harmful, especially to children. We struggle to differentiate between sexually suggestive and sexually explicit material.

It fucks up the way people think about and talk about sex ed. It fucks up the way people think about and talk about breast feeding. It fucks up the way people think about and talk about queer folks. It feeds into fatphobia and ableism and is all rooted in this deeply harmful puritanism.

Like, I need people to understand that seeing a bare titty in public is not going to hurt a child. Seeing a man in a banana hammock isn't inherently traumatizing. I would argue, in fact, that adults treating those things as dangerous and gross and scary is going to do way more damage to a kid's psychology than seeing the nudity in the first place.

durkin3030

"Wanting to expose myself to children isn't the problem, its you being upset that I wanna expose myself to children that's the problem"

fandomsandfeminism

See, this is what I'm talking about. Nothing I said in this post is about *doing* anything *to* children, and the fact that you cannot imagine a scenario where a person might be unclothed that doesn't directly involving harming children isn't healthy.

This post is about breast feeding. It's about nude beaches. It's about clothing optional saunas and onsens. It's about the changing room at the gym. Settings in which some *non-sexual* nudity can and do exist.

This post isn't about "oh wow, I sure do want to be naked around kids for nefarious and predatory reasons." It's about how our culture's insistence that ALL nudity, regardless of context and setting, MUST be sexual and MUST be predatory is divorced from reality and leads to unhealthy mindsets surrounding our bodies and the bodies of others.

durkin3030

You literally mentioned it not being harmful to kids you fucking retarded pedo

kingofdersecest-2

Yes there exists settings where nudity is non-sexualized, most people understand this, however mentioning children makes it incredibly suspicious.

Who the hell thinks of children in the context of nude beaches, gym changing rooms or saunas?

fandomsandfeminism

See, but it's not suspicious. One of the main pearl-clutching arguments about any nudity or even just less conservative clothing is the "think of the children!" fear mongering. That seeing a person breast feeding a baby in public or seeing a man in a thong is somehow inherently traumatizing. I'm literally just referencing and responding to the most common puritan argument against non-sexual nudity.

In countries that have them, children can go to saunas. Children can go to onsens. Children can use the changing room at public pools and gyms. Most nude beaches around the world don't have any kind of age requirement. Because in these places, there is an understanding that these are not sexual settings, and trying to have sex in those places would be seen as deeply, deeply inappropriate.

Again, the idea that nudity of any kind is only appropriate for adults is leaning on the assumption that nudity is somehow inherently sexual and harmful to children. (Which feeds into so many toxic and harmful mindsets. That people wearing skimpy clothing are 'asking for' sexual attention, that only people who are 'sexy' should wear the kind of clothing that shows skin.) It creates a culture of shame and secrecy about all aspects of your body, which really fucks with our sex ed and body image. It negatively affects people's willingness and ability to care for their loved ones as they age. Read through the tags on this post, and do so without the assumption that anyone who isn't a pearl clutching puritan is a fucking sex criminal.

newplayingsmash

You had me until you decided to say that having men in thongs around children is okay.

fandomsandfeminism

Explain to me why you think children being in the same area as someone wearing a particular style of swimsuit (one that still completely convers the genitals even) is "not ok"?

newplayingsmash

Ah, ok, by that logic, it’s okay to shove my ass in a kid’s face, because it’s “not sexual”, right?

fandomsandfeminism

Define "shoving your ass into their face."

Do you mean- physically touching a child's face with *their ass cheeks*? Because no, that's not ok.

Do you mean - being visible and in the same general area while wearing a swimsuit? Because then yes, that's OK. It's in fact no different than a woman wearing a bikini within the potential sight of a child. *seeing* another person, even if that person is wearing fewer clothes than you expect, is not *inherently* harmful.

legsdemandias

"people can wear various clothes and it's not a bad thing"

Oh so i can but my bare ass directly in the face of a child?????

Dude, you're the problem. Healthy growth involves knowing what growth looks like. Being able to look at a regular human body in any state of dress and going "oh so that's what I'll look like" is very very good for development.

You're doing the equivalent of weirdos sexualizing shoulders.

You know if they don't get that out in reality where they're actually going to get it? Porn.

Up until like the 1950s kids were subjected to nudity in various locations with little to no issues. People were breastfeeding in church and kids would go to public bath houses or see their neighbors washing themselves outside. They all lived. Kids will survive a thong from across the street. You on the other hand... Jury is out.